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Thank you Dr. Willis for sending this and allowing me to share it here.
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Paul J. Willis
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26 November 2011

Some Quotations from Manhee Lee, The Creation of Heaven and Earth (2009)

The following quotations are taken from Manhee Lee’s book The Creation of Heaven and Earth, published by Shinchonji Press in South Korea.  The Korean version appeared in 2007, the English version in 2009.  These quotations highlight Mr. Lee’s sense of himself as the messianic “promised pastor” or “the one who overcomes.”  They also highlight his feelings about any who disagree with his teachings.  Mr. Lee is the founder of what he calls the Shinchonji Church of Jesus.  Shinchonji is Korean for “new heaven and earth.”

 
“Now in this time of fulfillment, all believers must find the pastor, temple, and seminary promised by the Bible.  They must unite with God’s promised pastor to attain salvation.  Jesus Christ’s world of the first heaven has ended and a new heaven has been re-created.  Therefore, all believers must come out of their churches, which are part of the first heaven, and become a part of the twelve tribes of the new heaven.  They must all learn the new song to enter heaven” (vii).

“We are teaching the book of Revelation along with its physical fulfillment. . . .  Our revelation is the most perfect theological revelation in the entire history of Christianity!  We can explain the Bible clearly, even to those ignorant of the Bible, as long as they are willing to come and learn for six months.  This is true religion; this is the best and highest teaching.  This is the work of the holy spirit” (16).

“‘The end of the age’ [in Matthew 24] refers to the end of . . . the Christian world created by Jesus” (18).

“God and Satan fight in the spiritual world while the people that belong to God and the people that belong to Satan argue with one another in the physical world. . . .  Since Satan means divider and opposer, it should be obvious that anyone who breaks away from us and opposes us is Satan” (31).

“God makes . . . his chosen pastor rule over his chosen people—the children of light” (43).

“Shinchonji counts the first year of the Shinchonji Era from the year of the construction of the throne.  March 14, 1984, is the anniversary of Shinchonji.  In addition, 1984 was the year that the universe completed its orbit and returned to its point of origin” (44).

“Salvation comes from the promised pastor. . . .  This pastor carries out the work appointed to Apostle John in Revelation.  He witnesses the events of Revelation in physical reality and listens to an angel explain them to him.  He is the male child who will rule all nations after fighting and overcoming the enemies prophesied in Revelation.  He receives the scroll opened by Jesus and teaches it to [all] peoples. . . .  God, Jesus, and the spiritual kingdom descend on this pastor and work through him” (54).

“When the promised pastor appears, everyone must go to him” (54).

“After Jesus ascended to heaven, God promised to send his next promised pastor and the spirit of truth” (55).

“The second advocate—the spirit that comes in the name of Jesus—will reside in a man and speak on Jesus’ behalf through that man’s lips. . . .  The mission of the spirit of truth (i.e. the advocate) is to speak Jesus’ words on behalf of Jesus through the lips of the promised pastor” (77-78).

“The one who overcomes will become God’s son and receive God’s inheritance” (79).

“God was with Jacob because he overcame.  God was with Jesus because he overcame.  In the same way, God will be with the one who overcomes, who is promised in Revelation” (80).

“Jesus has shown and explained everything to him alone” (82).

“The prophecies of the four gospels and Revelation make up the new covenant that will be fulfilled in the future.  They are the representative word of the New Testament” (115-16).

“If the believers in the generation of the New Testament cannot keep the commands of the new covenant, they too will be destroyed like the people of the Old Testament generation” (116).

“[In the Old Testament,] the chosen people that left God were brutally destroyed” (358).

“Today, most Christians think that by simply believing in Jesus, they have been saved and have already received the holy spirit.  This misunderstanding leads to idleness” (132).

“[Jesus] will return in spirit to unite with his promised pastor” (143).

“Today’s pastors will persecute the promised pastor as a cult leader in the same way the Jewish priests persecuted Jesus. . . .  Because the promised pastor is one with Jesus, persecuting him is persecuting Jesus Christ” (143).

“Is it not clear that today’s churches are even more corrupt than the Catholic Church was at the time of its reformation?  How will today’s pastors react if Jesus chooses a pastor to proclaim the truth and decisively start a new reformation? . . . Can they be called believers in the promises of Jesus if they mock the pastor chosen in the Bible?” (144).

“Today, Spiritual Israel [the Christian world] has come to an end, roughly 2,000 years since Jesus planted the seed of heaven.  It is now time for New Spiritual Israel, which is the generation of Shinchonji, to create God’s kingdom on earth by harvesting the wheat-like believers (church members)” (145).

“The words of prophecy in God’s sealed book are now opened.  The prophecies are currently being fulfilled today.  Now is the time for us to look for the new pastor, the promised pastor” (147).

“The few people that God actually chooses are more important to him than anyone or anything else” (155).

“The New Testament promises one pastor that will be introduced in the last days” (159).

“Many people think they are saved just by believing in Jesus. . . .  Ultimately, people who fail to follow the one promised pastor sent by Jesus do not really believe in Jesus.  They claim to be believers, but the God they believe in is a figment of their own imaginations” (159).

“The pastor that Jesus promised in the New Testament is figuratively called Apostle John in Revelation” (162).

“When the end of the age (i.e. the time of the second coming of Jesus) comes, it is no longer enough just to know God and Jesus.  Believers must also know the pastor promised in the New Testament.  . .  When the promised pastor comes, [all other] pastors should hand the sheep they have cared for over to him” (164).

“Can the current corrupted Christian world be considered a true religion?  Its people are crying out for another reformation” (169).

“We now know that the first coming [of Jesus] was not even the end of God’s work” (171).

“The book of Revelation figuratively uses Apostle John to prophesy about the promised pastor” (176).

“The events of betrayal and destruction in the prophecies of the New Testament exist to testify about the promised pastor who acts as the savior” (177).

“It is not an exaggeration to say that God’s ultimate purpose in giving us the sixty-six books of the Bible was to lead us to the new heaven and new earth—to Shinchonji” (178).

“Jesus, who is returning, chooses and anoints one pastor” (178).

“The main character serving the Lord in the book of Revelation is the one who overcomes—the one who is promised in Revelation 2-3.  The first step for believers wishing to attain their hope is seeking the promised pastor who overcomes according to the book of Revelation” (179).

“When God fulfills the secret promises, he always reveals them to his chosen pastor before fulfilling them” (181).

“Anyone who fails to acknowledge the physical fulfillment when it comes according to prophecy proves that he or she does not believe in God, Jesus, or the Bible” (182).

“Jesus will come to the pastor promised in the New Testament and fulfill the New Testament prophecies through him. . . .  Believers on whom the end of the age has come must find and unite with the pastor Jesus promised” (182).

“All believers must find the one who overcomes—the pastor promised in Revelation 2-3—in order to attain heaven and eternal life. . . .  Anyone who dallies in accomplishing this task or who interferes with someone else proves that they belong to the devil” (187-88).

“These events of Revelation 2-3 . . . have already taken place at the base of Cheonggye mountain, which is in the city of Gwacheon, Gyeonggi province, Republic of Korea” (188).

“All pastors became blind and deaf when God’s book of revelation was sealed” (190).

“[The events of Revelation 5-6] were fulfilled at the base of Cheonggye mountain in Gwacheon” (193).

“God brings the first heaven and earth to an end by judging Spiritual Israel [the Christian world] (Revelation 5).  [Then] God creates a new chosen people. . . .  At the time of Revelation’s fulfillment, anyone who does not belong to the twelve tribes of New Spiritual Israel, which are God’s only chosen people, is a gentile who cannot be saved” (195).

“No one can know the fulfillment of the prophecies in revelation without meeting the promised pastor” (204).

“It is no exaggeration to say that the New Testament only testifies about this one male child [in Revelation 12].  God’s revelation, grace, and word are delivered to and explained by the one male child who overcomes. . . .  No one who believes in Revelation 2-3 can deny this” (215).

“There are many churches in the world, but there are no other true temples” (227).

“Those who overcome and gather at the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony store God’s wrath in their hearts.  The angels come to the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony and use those who overcome as bowls of God’s wrath” (227-28).

“Evil spirits enter people who receive the laying on of hands from or believe in the words of a false pastor” (232).

“Today, [as prophesied in Revelation 17-18,] the world of Christianity comes to an end and all nations are destroyed because of the maddening wine of adultery” (239).

“All the churches in this world are spiritually destroyed by the teachings (biblical commentaries) that the prostitute claims to be truth” (240).

“In the end times, God and Jesus will reign over the nations through the pastor Jesus promised” (247).

“[In Revelation 19,] the spirits [of the martyrs] that have lost their bodies for the sake of the Lord will clothe themselves with our physical bodies and be resurrected” (253).

“[Those in the holy city in the millennium] cannot be deceived because they have mastered the Bible and live together with the souls of the martyrs and with Jesus Christ” (254).

“No one who reads this book should be like Lot’s wife, who tried to return to the previous world that was judged” (265).

“The location of the one who overcomes is the throne of God and of Jesus.  And conversely, God, Jesus, the word of life, the ability to be born again, heaven, and eternal life are not present in any place that does not have the promised one who overcomes.  Consequently, this one who overcomes that is promised in the New Testament is the person whom all believers of Jesus must find” (269-70).

Pastors “who lack understanding” and who withhold members of their congregations from the promised pastor are “dogs” (272-73, 309).

“It is not possible for the water of life to flow from a place that charges money to teach the Bible. . . .  Zion Mission Center . . . teaches the word free of charge” (274).

“[In the parable of the sower in Matthew 13, the rocky ground that prevents the growth of the seeds represents people close to Shinchonji believers who call Shinchonji a cult.]  They persecute instead of carefully examining the word for themselves.  They see no reason to learn the word if they faithfully attend church services.  The devil works through the people close to us in any way he can” (293).

“[The parable of the weeds among the wheat in Matthew 13 tells us that] the word of God is mixed with the word of Satan within the churches of Jesus” (300).

“Jesus will come again after the chosen people—the Christians—betray and are destroyed by gentile pastors (Revelation 13)” (305).

“Anyone who opposes Shinchonji is evil” (321).

“Today, believers of the New Testament period eat the gospel of Jesus Christ as spiritual food.  At the same time, however, they live their spiritual lives through another faith that is to be revealed. . . .  This revealed faith is Jesus’ new gospel. . . .  Having the revealed faith is receiving and believing in [the testimony of the promised pastor]” (330-331).

“It is no exaggeration to say that the New Testament testifies about the one pastor Jesus promised” (337).

“Today, people within Schinchonji who have been cleansed by the word only to fall into unbelief will receive seven more evil spirits regardless of whether they realize it. . . .  It is impossible for a person who has tested the powers of the coming age to be brought back to repentance if they fall away” (351).

“Goat-like believers eat biblical commentaries, which are the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” (353-54).

“Those who have left their positions and homes within the twelve tribes of Shinchonji to deceive, cause division, create their own sects, and oppose God are antichrists that have united with the spirit of Satan.  Anyone who receives this kind of person becomes a part of their group” (354).

“To whom will [Jesus] come when he returns?  He comes to the pastor promised in the New Testament, the one who overcomes” (355).

“The pastor who fulfills the mission of John recorded in revelation is the only orthodox pastor. . . .  This church and pastor are the only ones who are truly orthodox” (370).

“Children of darkness . . . include believers who are trying to live their lives of faith without understanding God’s word” (373).

“When Jesus (i.e. the word, the light, and the path) returns to this world in the second coming, it is as if the sun, which had set in the west, rises again in the east after a long, hard night (approximately 2,000 years)” (375).

“There is no rule excluding Korea from being the place where the sun rises.  There is no scripture that proves Korea cannot be the place where the sun rises” (194).

“Let us become the living water for the hearts of those who have been thirsty for 2,000 years” (375).

“The events of Revelation . . . can also be thought of as the events when Christianity comes to an end” (388).

“Believers should not be like Eve by unconditionally receiving and eating the words of their pastors” (389).

“At the time of the Lord’s return, there will be inward believers like sheep and outward believers like goats” (394).

“People insisting without reservation that they have already been saved and that they have received the holy spirit, and people who claim to be orthodox while persecuting others as cults are speaking nothing but lies.  The ideology of Calvinism . . . is the ideology of Satan” (398).

[At the end of the age, Jesus comes] riding on a cloud.  In other words Jesus comes as a spirit . . . to work with his angels through the chosen pastor and his disciples to establish the nation promised in the New Testament” (404).

“Anyone who denies the one sent by God and Jesus is an antichrist” (410).

“[The battles of Revelation 13 and 12] have already taken place. . . .  Even now, the war continues” (421).

“The secular words spoken by today’s churches provide ample evidence that they belong to the world” (422).

“Those who refuse to believe in the events of Revelation, the promised pastor, and the promised temple—those who reject God’s will by believing only in their own pastor and their own church—these people cannot receive salvation” (423).

“The holy spirit of the Father came and spoke through Jesus.  Today, the spirit of the advocate (i.e. the holy spirit) has already come in the name of Jesus. . . .  The holy spirit who acts as the spiritual advocate is inside the chosen pastor who is the physical advocate” (426).

“The Old Testament testifies about one person—Jesus Christ.  The New Testament also testifies about one person—the advocate, who is the one who overcomes and the one who eats the opened scroll.  It is only when a person believes in the promised pastor and keeps the words of his testimony that he or she can attain salvation” (429).

“[Both Jesus Christ and the promised pastor] overcame the world. . . .  [The promised pastor] overcomes the pastors of Satan.  Although Jesus overcame Satan in the spiritual world, without someone who fights and overcomes Satan’s pastors in the physical world, God’s kingdom, salvation, power, and authority cannot come, [and] this world would belong to Satan forever” (430).

“[The one who overcomes] sits with Jesus on Jesus’ throne” (432).

“All churches have left Jesus’ words and have become corrupt” (449).

“Since the words and doctrines of Satan are in the church, it is the Christians, and not the unbelievers or people of other religions, who must take care to avoid Satan’s doctrines” (453).

“Become a part of the army of heaven” (471).

“Believers facing the end of the age must try and be born again through righteous acts and God’s word in order to become the people of heaven” (474).

“[Shinchonji is] giving . . . the new blood and flesh of Jesus” (476).

“Because . . . the content of John’s revelation was sealed, no one knew what it meant until today” (493).

“Clearly, it is only by listening to the one who has received revelation from Jesus that believers can know God, Jesus, and the pastor sent by Jesus.  This is the only path to eternal life” (494).

t is more important to understand the contents of Revelation than anything else” (498).

“When Satan enters a pastor he or she becomes Satan” (501).

“No one who is consumed by a literal understanding of the Bible can understand the words that Jesus spoke figuratively.  These people cannot be a part of God’s kingdom; they are outsiders. . . .  They become wicked beasts that can never receive forgiveness for their sins” (502).

“We, Shinchonji, . . . know who belongs to God and who belongs to Satan” (504).

“People who receive the mark of the beast are those who listen to the teachings of the beast [i.e. those who listen to ordained pastors], receive them into their hearts, and believe them.  These people will suffer eternally in the fiery lake of burning sulfur” (504).

“[Satan’s] false pastors disguise themselves as servants of righteousness” (504-05).

“Christians must believe that Jesus’ promised return occurs according to this logic of betrayal, destruction, and salvation” (510).

“The holy city will exist forever because those who dwell within this city have united with Jesus and with the spirits of the martyrs” (515).

“[In Revelation 11,] the era of Christianity (the first heaven) comes to an end, and the era of the millennium (the new heaven) begins” (517).

“[In the millennium, the souls of the martyrs will enter the bodies of sealed believers to] reign as kings with Christ for 1,000 years. . . .  Jesus died to accomplish this work, and now he has become a spirit to work within us” (522).

“Because Satan has deceived all nations (Christians), now is the time of Jesus’ second coming” (525).

“No other church name can even compare to the name Shinchonji” (544).

“We, the people of Shinchonji, are certain of the way in which we have fulfilled and are fulfilling the book of Revelation” (546).

“[The persecutors of Shinchonji are] the true heretics, . . . the troops of Satan. . . .  The corrupt and aging generation of Spiritual Israel is being destroyed” (551).

“Approximately 2,000 years after [Jesus’] prophecies were made, their fulfillment began at the base of Cheonggye mountain. . . .  Today, with just a few remaining exceptions, the prophecies of the New Testament have been fulfilled.  Since the harvest is not yet finished, the sealing of the 144,000 people of the twelve tribes is still taking place” (558).

“Just as God summarized 6,000 years of history in one book, the Bible, I have summarized the entire Bible in this book” (563).

“Anyone who does not believe in the prophecies and their fulfillment does not believe in God. . . .  Anyone who hears the testimony about the fulfillment of the New Testament prophecies and refuses to believe it will be destroyed, just like the people in the time of Adam and Lot” (564).



August 24, 2012, 07:16:10 PM
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Re: The Creation of Heaven & Earth by Manhee Lee: Quotations & Thoughts
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2012, 07:16:10 PM »
Paul J. Willis
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23 November 2011

Some Thoughts on Manhee Lee, The Creation of Heaven and Earth
(Shinchonji Press, 2009)

I am impressed with Mr. Lee’s familiarity with the terrain of the scriptures.  The crux of course comes with his interpretation of them, and with whether one can agree with his claims.  He complicates this process of discernment on almost every page by asserting that anyone who does not completely agree with him is destined for the lake of fire.  (He really likes that lake of fire, and he really likes sending all of his critics there.)  So, he can get a little shrill that way, both with people who do not wish to join his group and with people who wish to leave his group.  Those who leave “will receive seven more evil spirits regardless of whether they realize it” (351).  Those within the group are not allowed to associate with defectors, and defectors are not allowed to repent of their leaving and to return.  One might regard this set-up as simply a statement of “what is,” or, one might regard it as evidence of coercion.

But I digress.  As I reflected upon Mr. Lee’s approach to the scriptures, and of his election of himself as the key figure in whom the scriptures supposedly culminate, I thought about an episode in an eighteenth-century moral tale called Rasselas, by Samuel Johnson.  In the tale, a group of friends searching for truth happen upon an astronomer who has spent his entire life studying the movements of the sun, moon, planets, and stars.  Over the years, immersed in this study night after night, the astronomer has come to believe that the heavenly bodies only move in the proper way because he keeps track of them; without his guidance, the heavenly bodies would fall out of orbit and the universe would come apart.  This delusion is entertained gradually, but once it has taken hold, the astronomer is filled with a sense of responsibility and anxiety.  His new friends want to help him, but they are not able to talk him out of his delusion.  As he begins to enjoy their company, however, he finds that his delusion gradually melts away.

I have always found this a sweet and cautionary tale, and I think it may apply in the case of Mr. Lee.  I imagine him deeply immersed in the scriptures, especially the weirdly fascinating prophetic portions—and this would be only natural to him, as he has apparently spent almost all of his life in groups that pay special attention to these portions of the Bible.  I also imagine him deeply affected by the power of the scriptures, and wanting to appropriate that power for himself—to involve himself as deeply as possible in what he is reading.  And then, one day, caught up in the urgency of the apocalyptic events of the book of Revelation, his eye comes to rest on “the one who overcomes,” and something in him says, “That’s me.”  And then he’s off.  If he is “the one who overcomes,” he can also be the son of the woman, one of the two witnesses, the white horse, the Advocate, and the Apostle John himself.  He can be “the promised pastor” who uniquely succeeds and carries out the will of Jesus.  And pretty soon, he’s not just a bit character—he is the hero of the entire story.  In fact, without him, none of the events at the end of the age can take place.  He is in fact indispensable, just as the astronomer, in his own mind, becomes indispensable to the proper movements of the heavens.

The difference between the fictional astronomer and the quite literal Mr. Lee, however, is that the astronomer keeps his delusion to himself, while Mr. Lee uses his to build a public following.  And once he insists that everyone else must share his delusion, as I am calling it, an inflexible narcissism kicks in, and anyone who questions his bit of theological role-playing is blithely consigned to the lake of fire.

But question I will, asbestos air mattress at hand.

First, I question whether “the one who overcomes” refers to a particular person.  In fact, it does not.  In context, it refers to any believer of the historic seven churches of Asia Minor—and by extension, any subsequent believer—who, through the power of Christ, is able to overcome adversity or temptation.  Christ does not need a supposed “one who overcomes” to accomplish his return, and in donning this mantle Mr. Lee is not only taking a promise made to all and reserving it only for himself, but he is also changing that promise into something it is not, inventing a leading role for himself out of thin air.  His frequent objections to all biblical commentaries and to some biblical translations may stem from the fact that this misunderstanding regarding “the one who overcomes” is so easily resolved.   The NRSV, for example, in Rev. 2-3, has “to everyone who conquers” (3x), “whoever conquers” (1x), “if you conquer” (2x), and “to the one who conquers” (1x).

In claiming to be the unique embodiment of the Advocate promised in John 14-16, Mr. Lee is also taking a guarantee made to many and applying it only to himself.  Jesus is promising the Holy Spirit to his disciples—and by extension to all believers—but Mr. Lee would have us believe that the holy spirit (always lower-case for him, as he seems to regard the Holy Spirit as more of a function than a person) is only embodied in himself—and that this spirit has been effectively withheld for the last 2,000 years.  Again, there is a usurpation—a wrongful taking—of powers here.

Related to this is Mr. Lee’s claim that he literally functions as the Apostle John as a receiver of revelation.  Just as John received a vision of the apocalypse, Mr. Lee claims to have received an even clearer vision of what he calls the “physical fulfillment” of these prophecies.  He in fact regards John the Apostle as only a “figure” for himself, for Mr. Lee is the actual one who eats the unsealed scroll and finally makes the book of Revelation clear to all.  Again, however, he is usurping a role.  The revelation given to John was written down for all to read, but by claiming that he is the “real” Apostle John, Mr. Lee invalidates 2,000 years of engagement with a historic text.  Access to divine truth is suddenly narrowed, and Mr. Lee becomes the only gatekeeper.

There is a pattern here, and it is not a pretty one.  It is one thing to play a children’s game of pretend for oneself—and then to become so caught up in the game that one believes it for oneself.  (In the midst of my reading it is fun to imagine that I am Tom Sawyer, or Bilbo Baggins, or Tumnus the Faun.)  But it is quite another thing to inflict this game of pretend upon others.  (I’m Aslan, and you have to do what I say.)  That is when play becomes piracy.  What Mr. Lee has accomplished, intentionally or not, is a hijacking of the scriptures.

Finally, and over-archingly, Mr. Lee constructs a pattern of scriptural history to validate his anointed role.  Like many before him, Mr. Lee has noticed that God appears to reveal himself in different ways at different times.  There have been many efforts to systematize these different ways and steps of revelation, none completely satisfactory, given the fact that the scriptures are full of such living, squirming variety.  One of the most rigid ways was developed by a man named Darby in the nineteenth century, and it came to be called dispensationalism, because Darby regarded the Bible as recording a series of different dispensations of God’s presence in a succession of covenants with his people.   

Mr. Lee takes Darby’s general idea and shapes it in a particular way.  He perceives a rigid social pattern of betrayal, destruction, and then salvation through divine selection of “a new pastor,” and he follows this pattern through Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, and Jesus.  Most any other interpreter would stop here, with Jesus as the climax of God’s revelation of himself, though of course the return of Christ would be taken into account as well.  Mr. Lee, however, uses the momentum he gains from unfolding this pattern to springboard the reader to a “new gospel” of “the promised pastor” in the end times.  To do this, he needs to exercise some sleight of hand to stipulate an expiration date for the “old gospel” of Jesus. 

This is where he has to equivocate a little: on some pages of his book he extols the saving grace of Jesus made available through his death on the cross; on other pages he insists that salvation is only made available through “the promised pastor.”  He has sort of painted himself into a corner.  It won’t do to completely dismiss the work of Jesus, partly because Mr. Lee constructs his own authority on the basis of many messianic analogies, but at the same time he wants to convince us that he himself, Mr. Lee, is the new “savior,” the one we must “believe in,” that God’s work is completely contingent upon Mr. Lee’s appearance and upon his heroic acts.  Also, Mr. Lee would have us believe in an inflexible “logic” of this dispensational pattern: God can work in no other way, and this way culminates in the arrival of Mr. Lee.  He would not have us notice that the role of “the promised pastor” is one he has completely made up on his own.

Indeed, there is a certain impenetrable circularity to his logic.  How does Mr. Lee have, as he claims, “complete mastery” of the scriptures?  He will tell you it is because he is the one who overcomes and is thus given the hidden manna of the revealed word.  How does Mr. Lee know he is the one who overcomes?  Why, because he has complete mastery of the scriptures.

Finally, I will note in passing that he exercises this supposed mastery with an exegesis that often seems quite arbitrary.  In Mr. Lee's hands, for example, Genesis 1 becomes a figurative allegory for the end times.  The 144,000 who belong to the Lamb on Mt. Zion in Revelation 14, however, comprise a number that Mr. Lee takes quite literally.  His choice of a strangely literal interpretation or a heretofore unknown figurative interpretation of the scriptures does not seem to be guided by any consistent principle.  If there is a consistent principle, it is the promotion of his own status and purposes.   

So there you have it, my response in a nutshell to Mr. Lee’s theology.  Samuel Johnson’s astronomer could be cured of his delusion.  I doubt if Mr. Lee will be cured of his—though, on his approaching deathbed, it is possible to imagine him experiencing some pangs of conscience for having presumed so much and misled so many.

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From the comments under the article: Man Hee Lee in America July 18,2012

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I am an evangelical Christian and read Mr. Lee´s 500 plus book. Here´s a brief review from a Christian perspective.

The author, who appears genuine, was formerly part of three other Korean apocalyptic movements. Mr. Lee asserts that Shinchonji was created in 1984, the year the ¨universe completed its orbit¨ (p. 44). Lee takes the reader through a series of events leading up to the ¨promised pastor,¨ who is also one of the two witnesses in Revelation, the male child in Rev. 12, the white horse upon which Jesus returns in Rev. 19, and the ¨only one who overcomes¨ in Rev. 2,3. When one meditates on the Christian Scriptures, the emphasis is on the person of Christ. When one reads through ¨Creation of Heaven and Earth,¨ the emphasis is on Mr. Lee.

Moreover, Lee speaks harshly towards any Christian who does not accept his explanations, even contending that those who leave Shinchonji will have ¨seven spirits¨ enter them (p. 351). Lee simplifies the meaning of Bible events and introduces new applications to parables. He writes that Israel should mean ¨one who overcomes¨ (the same as the author`s identity in Revelation) instead of the Hebrew meaning of ¨one who strives with God¨. Lee beckons Christian readers to abandon their churches and follow him for final salvation.

A significant portion of the symbols in Revelation refer back to Mr. Lee`s appearance and teachings. Genesis ch. 1-4 is also an allegory of the end-times (e.g. trees represent pastors and people). Lee focuses on the need for a final pastor in the end, which supplants the biblical focus of the need for a Redeemer. In his commentary on the seven churches in Revelation, Lee says they represent seven pastors of one church in South Korea who, like John the Baptist, prepared God`s people for the second coming and Lee`s arrival. In Christian teaching, God glorified Jesus` human nature, not his spirit, but Lee teaches that Jesus is now only a spirit. Therefore, Christ does not return visibly. Although readers may be intrigued by new applications of Christian Scriptures, these and other points show that Lee´s applications deviate from many clear meanings in the Bible.

I underlined the 'promised pastor" section because that is how one member blogger describes him. Interesting.

September 09, 2012, 12:14:30 PM
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2012, 12:14:30 PM »
http://scjpeter.blogspot.kr/2010/09/shinchonji-religion-pastors-and-faith.html

Dr. Willis made it clear that this "Promised Pastor" figure Lee refers to is himself. But here's another little indication from the blog of a member. The Promised Pastor is already among us. Gee, I wonder who it could be?

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Today, those who claim to believe in Jesus and refuse go to the pastor promised by Jesus are no different from those who believed in Moses, Isaiah, Confucius, Buddha, and yet refused to believe in their prophecies, which pointed to Jesus as our savior. Furthermore, since the promised pastor has already come, people who persist in believing only in their own pastor are in the same situation as the people who refused to go to Noah when Adam's generation came to an end. They are in the same situation as those who refused to follow Moses when Noah's generation came to an end. This is also in the same situation as the people who believed only in Moses and who refused to follow Jesus when Moses' generation came to an end.

September 09, 2012, 12:37:34 PM
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2012, 12:37:34 PM »
I just trimmed down all the above quotes down to my absolute favorites:

“Now in this time of fulfillment, all believers must find the pastor, temple, and seminary promised by the Bible.  They must unite with God’s promised pastor to attain salvation.  Jesus Christ’s world of the first heaven has ended and a new heaven has been re-created.  Therefore, all believers must come out of their churches, which are part of the first heaven, and become a part of the twelve tribes of the new heaven.  They must all learn the new song to enter heaven” (vii).

“Since Satan means divider and opposer, it should be obvious that anyone who breaks away from us and opposes us is Satan” (31).

“God makes . . . his chosen pastor rule over his chosen people—the children of light” (43).

“Shinchonji counts the first year of the Shinchonji Era from the year of the construction of the throne.  March 14, 1984, is the anniversary of Shinchonji.  In addition, 1984 was the year that the universe completed its orbit and returned to its point of origin” (44).

“Salvation comes from the promised pastor. . . .  This pastor carries out the work appointed to Apostle John in Revelation. He is the male child who will rule all nations after fighting and overcoming the enemies prophesied in Revelation.  He receives the scroll opened by Jesus and teaches it to [all] peoples. . . .  God, Jesus, and the spiritual kingdom descend on this pastor and work through him” (54).

“When the promised pastor appears, everyone must go to him” (54).

“After Jesus ascended to heaven, God promised to send his next promised pastor and the spirit of truth” (55).

“The second advocate—the spirit that comes in the name of Jesus—will reside in a man and speak on Jesus’ behalf through that man’s lips. . . .  The mission of the spirit of truth (i.e. the advocate) is to speak Jesus’ words on behalf of Jesus through the lips of the promised pastor” (77-78).

“Jesus has shown and explained everything to him alone” (82).

“If the believers in the generation of the New Testament cannot keep the commands of the new covenant, they too will be destroyed like the people of the Old Testament generation” (116).

“[In the Old Testament,] the chosen people that left God were brutally destroyed” (358).

“[Jesus] will return in spirit to unite with his promised pastor” (143).

“Today’s pastors will persecute the promised pastor as a cult leader in the same way the Jewish priests persecuted Jesus. . . .  Because the promised pastor is one with Jesus, persecuting him is persecuting Jesus Christ” (143).

“Today, Spiritual Israel [the Christian world] has come to an end, roughly 2,000 years since Jesus planted the seed of heaven.  It is now time for New Spiritual Israel, which is the generation of Shinchonji, to create God’s kingdom on earth by harvesting the wheat-like believers (church members)” (145).

“The words of prophecy in God’s sealed book are now opened.  The prophecies are currently being fulfilled today.  Now is the time for us to look for the new pastor, the promised pastor” (147).

“The New Testament promises one pastor that will be introduced in the last days” (159).

“Many people think they are saved just by believing in Jesus. . . .  Ultimately, people who fail to follow the one promised pastor sent by Jesus do not really believe in Jesus.  They claim to be believers, but the God they believe in is a figment of their own imaginations” (159).

“When the promised pastor comes, [all other] pastors should hand the sheep they have cared for over to him” (164).

“The book of Revelation figuratively uses Apostle John to prophesy about the promised pastor” (176).

“The events of betrayal and destruction in the prophecies of the New Testament exist to testify about the promised pastor who acts as the savior” (177).

“It is not an exaggeration to say that God’s ultimate purpose in giving us the sixty-six books of the Bible was to lead us to the new heaven and new earth—to Shinchonji” (178).

“Jesus, who is returning, chooses and anoints one pastor” (178).

“The main character serving the Lord in the book of Revelation is the one who overcomes—the one who is promised in Revelation 2-3.  The first step for believers wishing to attain their hope is seeking the promised pastor who overcomes according to the book of Revelation” (179).

“When God fulfills the secret promises, he always reveals them to his chosen pastor before fulfilling them” (181).

“Anyone who fails to acknowledge the physical fulfillment when it comes according to prophecy proves that he or she does not believe in God, Jesus, or the Bible” (182).

“Jesus will come to the pastor promised in the New Testament and fulfill the New Testament prophecies through him. . . .  Believers on whom the end of the age has come must find and unite with the pastor Jesus promised” (182).

“All believers must find the one who overcomes—the pastor promised in Revelation 2-3—in order to attain heaven and eternal life. . . .  Anyone who dallies in accomplishing this task or who interferes with someone else proves that they belong to the devil” (187-88).

“These events of Revelation 2-3 . . . have already taken place at the base of Cheonggye mountain, which is in the city of Gwacheon, Gyeonggi province, Republic of Korea” (188).

“[The events of Revelation 5-6] were fulfilled at the base of Cheonggye mountain in Gwacheon” (193).

“There are many churches in the world, but there are no other true temples” (227).

“Those who overcome and gather at the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony store God’s wrath in their hearts.  The angels come to the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony and use those who overcome as bowls of God’s wrath” (227-28).

“Evil spirits enter people who receive the laying on of hands from or believe in the words of a false pastor” (232).

“Today, [as prophesied in Revelation 17-18,] the world of Christianity comes to an end and all nations are destroyed because of the maddening wine of adultery” (239).

“In the end times, God and Jesus will reign over the nations through the pastor Jesus promised” (247).

“[Those in the holy city in the millennium] cannot be deceived because they have mastered the Bible and live together with the souls of the martyrs and with Jesus Christ” (254).

Pastors “who lack understanding” and who withhold members of their congregations from the promised pastor are “dogs” (272-73, 309).

“[In the parable of the sower in Matthew 13, the rocky ground that prevents the growth of the seeds represents people close to Shinchonji believers who call Shinchonji a cult.]  They persecute instead of carefully examining the word for themselves.  They see no reason to learn the word if they faithfully attend church services.  The devil works through the people close to us in any way he can” (293).

“Anyone who opposes Shinchonji is evil” (321).

“It is no exaggeration to say that the New Testament testifies about the one pastor Jesus promised” (337).

“Today, people within Schinchonji who have been cleansed by the word only to fall into unbelief will receive seven more evil spirits regardless of whether they realize it. . . .  It is impossible for a person who has tested the powers of the coming age to be brought back to repentance if they fall away” (351).

“Those who have left their positions and homes within the twelve tribes of Shinchonji to deceive, cause division, create their own sects, and oppose God are antichrists that have united with the spirit of Satan.  Anyone who receives this kind of person becomes a part of their group” (354).

“To whom will [Jesus] come when he returns?  He comes to the pastor promised in the New Testament, the one who overcomes” (355).

“The pastor who fulfills the mission of John recorded in revelation is the only orthodox pastor. . . .  This church and pastor are the only ones who are truly orthodox” (370).

“Children of darkness . . . include believers who are trying to live their lives of faith without understanding God’s word” (373).

“When Jesus (i.e. the word, the light, and the path) returns to this world in the second coming, it is as if the sun, which had set in the west, rises again in the east after a long, hard night (approximately 2,000 years)” (375).

“There is no rule excluding Korea from being the place where the sun rises.  There is no scripture that proves Korea cannot be the place where the sun rises” (194).

“The events of Revelation . . . can also be thought of as the events when Christianity comes to an end” (388).

“Anyone who denies the one sent by God and Jesus is an antichrist” (410).

“[The battles of Revelation 13 and 12] have already taken place. . . .  Even now, the war continues” (421).

“Those who refuse to believe in the events of Revelation, the promised pastor, and the promised temple—those who reject God’s will by believing only in their own pastor and their own church—these people cannot receive salvation” (423).

“The holy spirit of the Father came and spoke through Jesus.  Today, the spirit of the advocate (i.e. the holy spirit) has already come in the name of Jesus. . . .  The holy spirit who acts as the spiritual advocate is inside the chosen pastor who is the physical advocate” (426).

“The Old Testament testifies about one person—Jesus Christ.  The New Testament also testifies about one person—the advocate, who is the one who overcomes and the one who eats the opened scroll.  It is only when a person believes in the promised pastor and keeps the words of his testimony that he or she can attain salvation” (429).

“[Both Jesus Christ and the promised pastor] overcame the world. . . .  [The promised pastor] overcomes the pastors of Satan.  Although Jesus overcame Satan in the spiritual world, without someone who fights and overcomes Satan’s pastors in the physical world, God’s kingdom, salvation, power, and authority cannot come, [and] this world would belong to Satan forever” (430).

“[The one who overcomes] sits with Jesus on Jesus’ throne” (432).

“All churches have left Jesus’ words and have become corrupt” (449).

“Since the words and doctrines of Satan are in the church, it is the Christians, and not the unbelievers or people of other religions, who must take care to avoid Satan’s doctrines” (453).

“Become a part of the army of heaven” (471).


“[Shinchonji is] giving . . . the new blood and flesh of Jesus” (476).

“Because . . . the content of John’s revelation was sealed, no one knew what it meant until today” (493).

“Clearly, it is only by listening to the one who has received revelation from Jesus that believers can know God, Jesus, and the pastor sent by Jesus.  This is the only path to eternal life” (494).

“When Satan enters a pastor he or she becomes Satan” (501).

“No one who is consumed by a literal understanding of the Bible can understand the words that Jesus spoke figuratively.  These people cannot be a part of God’s kingdom; they are outsiders. . . .  They become wicked beasts that can never receive forgiveness for their sins” (502).

“We, Shinchonji, . . . know who belongs to God and who belongs to Satan” (504).

“People who receive the mark of the beast are those who listen to the teachings of the beast [i.e. those who listen to ordained pastors], receive them into their hearts, and believe them.  These people will suffer eternally in the fiery lake of burning sulfur” (504).

“[Satan’s] false pastors disguise themselves as servants of righteousness” (504-05).

“[In the millennium, the souls of the martyrs will enter the bodies of sealed believers to] reign as kings with Christ for 1,000 years. . . .  Jesus died to accomplish this work, and now he has become a spirit to work within us” (522).

“Because Satan has deceived all nations (Christians), now is the time of Jesus’ second coming” (525).

“No other church name can even compare to the name Shinchonji” (544).

“[The persecutors of Shinchonji are] the true heretics, . . . the troops of Satan. . . .  The corrupt and aging generation of Spiritual Israel is being destroyed” (551).

“Approximately 2,000 years after [Jesus’] prophecies were made, their fulfillment began at the base of Cheonggye mountain. . . .  Today, with just a few remaining exceptions, the prophecies of the New Testament have been fulfilled.  Since the harvest is not yet finished, the sealing of the 144,000 people of the twelve tribes is still taking place” (558).

“Just as God summarized 6,000 years of history in one book, the Bible, I have summarized the entire Bible in this book” (563).

“Anyone who does not believe in the prophecies and their fulfillment does not believe in God. . . .  Anyone who hears the testimony about the fulfillment of the New Testament prophecies and refuses to believe it will be destroyed, just like the people in the time of Adam and Lot” (564).

September 25, 2012, 07:16:06 AM
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2012, 07:16:06 AM »
A further collection of quotes from Man Hee Lee's book focusing on violence and war... interesting considering how much the public face of Lee talks about "peace". His idea of peace is similar to the kind of peace enjoyed by North Koreans.

Paul J. Willis
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Visions of Violence in Manhee Lee, The Creation of Heaven and Earth
(Shinchonji Press, 2009)

 “God and Satan fight in the spiritual world while the people that belong to God and the people that belong to Satan argue with one another in the physical world. . . .  Since Satan means divider and opposer, it should be obvious that anyone who breaks away from us and opposes us is Satan” (31).

“The promised pastor . . . is the male child who will rule all nations after fighting and overcoming the enemies prophesied in Revelation” (54).

“If the believers in the generation of the NT cannot keep the commands of the new covenant, they too will be destroyed like the people of the OT generation” (116).

In the OT, “the chosen people that left God are brutally destroyed” (358).

“Today’s pastors will persecute the promised pastor as a cult leader in the same way the Jewish priests persecuted Jesus. . . .  Because the promised pastor is one with Jesus, persecuting him is persecuting Jesus Christ” (143).

The people of New Spiritual Israel will “become the bowls of God’s wrath, which judge both the gentile destroyers and the people of Spiritual Israel for their betrayal of God” (153).

“Those who overcome and gather at the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony store God’s wrath in their hearts.  The angels come to the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony and use those who overcome as bowls of God’s wrath.”  The angels pour out these bowls on the beast and on those with his mark (227-28).

The beast symbolizes false pastors (230).

Jesus’ disciples “were his allies as members of heaven’s army” (298).

Pastors “who lack understanding” and who withhold members of their congregations from the promised pastor are “dogs” (272-73, 309).

The prophecy of kingdom rising against kingdom does not refer to physical nations such as the United States and the Soviet Union (415).

In Revelation 12, a war between God’s chosen people and the gentiles occurs in the physical world while God’s spirits are battling Satan’s spirits in the spiritual world.”  This is a war between believers “within a single religion. . . .  Such warfare must exist to fulfill God’s will” (418).

The battles of Revelation 13 & 12 “have already taken place. . . .  Even now, the war continues” (421).

Both Jesus Christ and the promised pastor “overcame the world” (429).  The promised pastor “overcomes the pastors of Satan.  Although Jesus overcame Satan in the spiritual world, without someone who fights and overcomes Satan’s pastors in the physical world, God’s kingdom, salvation, power, and authority cannot come, [and] this world would belong to Satan forever” (430).

Readers are invited to “become a part of the army of heaven” (471).

Battles between God’s people and Satan’s people are of preeminent concern.  “This is why it is more important to understand the contents of Revelation than anything else” (498).

“People who receive the mark of the beast are those who listen to the teachings of the beast, receive them into their hearts, and believe them” (504).

Oxen and fatted beasts butchered for the wedding banquet of the Lamb are the false pastors (507).

The mark of the beast is seminary ordination, allowing false pastors to buy and sell, i.e., preach the word incorrectly (537).

Persecutors of SCJ are “the true heretics, . . . the troops of Satan. . . .  The corrupt and aging generation of Spiritual Israel is being destroyed” (551).

November 25, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
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Re: The Creation of Heaven & Earth by Manhee Lee: Quotations & Thoughts
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2012, 09:31:21 PM »
I emailed Shinchonji at the email address Mannam gave in their response - if that's the right word - about a month ago and enquired about buying a copy of Man Hee Lee's book. I've yet to receive a reply and judging from this exchange with a Shinchonji member in the comments under Michael's Youtube video (see below), I'm unlikely to:
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LordPlagus, do you know where I can buy a copy of Man Hee Lee's book The Creation of Heaven & Earth? I have most of it in PDF format, but I'd like the whole thing. I emailed the SCJ contact email that Mannam gave in their statement last week, but have yet to receive a reply. Thanks
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From where I am the only place to buy it is at the Publishing Department in the church. It's a hard cover, in Korean, and only purchasable by members. I have no idea where to get it in digital format though...
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Thanks. An English version was published. Interesting the Korean version is only available to members. I imagine the same applies to the English version. Any thoughts on why they don't make it available to non-members?
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Security reasons, we can't let any idiot grab a copy so they can take it out of context or use it to make anti SCJ propaganda further slander us on media which I'm sure is their way of being good Christians. It isn't something we make a profit out of either so we're not exactly pushing them on the shelves.
We don't let non members into our building either, mostly because information leaks can get hinder our missionary work, not to mention theft of possessions, etc.

Here is Michael's video... you can check out the above comments and more under it by clicking on the YouTube button, bottom right of the screen.


May 10, 2013, 01:06:03 AM
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Well I believe I met the guy who posted as LordPlagus the other night at the SCJ Open Bible Seminar, and wow what a difference meeting in person makes. Unlike his Korean colleagues, LordPlagus was polite and friendly, and I don't mean love-bomb friendly - which I think I'm good at detecting. The door is open for further dialogue, and I really hope that happens. I don't think there's anyone caught up in this I'd rather sit down and have a heart-to-heart over a coffee with. Perhaps at my favorite Starbucks, which just happens to be under SCJ HQ, by Government Complex Gwacheon Station, line 4, exit 2.  Next to the McDonald's. Lots of people studying Bibles inside. You can't miss it.

In other news, I have obtained what I believe is one of only a few English copies of Man Hee Lee's book outside of the cult. And it matches all the above quotes and PDF files perfectly:


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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2014, 01:53:14 PM »
Two critical reviews of Lee's book:
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I am reading some of these reviews, and am astounded that anyone ascribes any Christian meaning at all to what Mr. Lee is saying in his book. Sadly, my [Korean] wife has been brainwashed into this cult. Having read excerpts of the book both here and in other places, and having witnessed Mr. Lee preaching to his flock in Los Angeles some years ago, I am saddened and distressed at how this charlatan has managed to bring so many sincere and trusting people into his cult. My wife was encouraged to leave the family and break her wedding vows in order to accept a "scholarship" at the church school and study for two years so as to become a "pastor" of the church (my wife does not have a college degree, nor was she ever in a seminary). What Christian church encourages a woman to leave her family in order to "prove" their faith in the church? Mr. Lee goes completely off the rails, and is not to be taken seriously in his interpretation of scripture.

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In summary, Mr. Lee argues the following: 1) He has taken the place of Jesus as the new anointed one. 2) Anyone who does not think so is of Satan. 3) Everyone of Satan will be and deserves to be physically destroyed by Mr. Lee's followers in the end times. 4) The end times are already well underway.