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December 10, 2006, 06:55:43 PM
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FAQ: Is Jung really/still an international fugitive?
« on: December 10, 2006, 06:55:43 PM »
A big claim can sometimes be hard to believe. However, there is more than enough evidence he really is an international fugitive, wanted by Interpol (the international Police) for rape. Even the members may admit this to you, since it's kind of hard to deny, although sometimes they still try.
Update: Screenshots are available here.  (Peter)

I like the Korean National Police Agency board, since I think that's more direct than the news articles. However, you have to poke around the board a little to determine the affirmations of Jung's fugitive status could have only been posted by KNPA and not just by anyone. It's name as a "visitor board" is a little misleading; it's more of a "inquiry index". There's lots of inquiries about JMS on it, so here are the three used in the wiki (simply because they're easier for me to find) 1, 2, and 3.

There's been quite a lot of media attention in some Eastern Asian countries, so if you're looking for proof more prepackaged you can view the following list of articles that mention Jung's alleged rapist status:

Update: A lot of the links below no longer work. A timeline with updated links is available here. (Peter)

Before April 2006
Taipei Times, Nov 12 2001: S Korean religious figure faces sexual assault accusations
Keimyung Gazette, Feb 1 2006:  How to Spot a Woolly Wolf

April 2006
April 17 2006 Daum news (translation from Korean)
April 17 2006 Sisa news (translation from Korean)
April 18 2006 CNBC news (translation from Korean)
April 18 2006 Daum TV news (babelfish translation and video)

June 2006
Ilyo Sin-moon, Jun 18 2006: Suspicious famous model institute run by JMS

August 2006
Asahi: 2,000 Japanese join cult led by suspected sex offender on the run from Interpol
Japantimes: Lawyers eye cult rape accusations
Asahi: Cult aimed at elite in 50 universities
Crisscross: South Korean cult merges sex with prayer
Crisscross: South Korean cult Leader Faces Rape Charges
Asahi: Cult Gains 100 Million Yen Annually
Yomiuri Shimbun: Ex-cultists may sue over sexual harassment
Asahi: Guru said to have raped prospective brides before mass weddings
Yomiuri Shimbun: Lawyers Pursue JMS Cult Officials
Asahi: Editorial/ Another problem cult

November 2006
UCSD Guardian: Alleged Cult Sows Seeds Via Campus Event

While there is only one non-Asian there, the last one, you can investigate the news publishers if you are doubtful. It seems some people are very reluctant to believe he really is a fugitive. The Asashi newspaper is the second most circulated national newspaper in Japan and is basically owned by the New York Times. Yomiuri Shimbun is credited to have the largest newspaper circulation in the world, and is the most circulated national newspaper in Japan. Crisscross is the largest distributed English magazine in Japan.

If all that wasn't enough, then it's displayed on the wikipedia page. Anyone can edit wikipedia, which means it's "peer-reviewed". In other words, if it wasn't true, then the members would get it removed and get us banned if we tried to add it back. However the only person banned from editing wikipedia in relation to that article is "Trustjms" for repeatedly deleting the entire article.

He is still a fugitive today; as far as I know it's impossible to complete the lawsuit until he turns up for court (unless perhaps the accusations are taken back), and he hasn't, and neither has the accusations been taken back. Also, as far as I know, there's no way to convict him until he is present for a trial, so that he is still an alleged rapist and not a rapist in the eyes of the law after several years doesn't mean the evidence against him is weak, it just means he has been hiding for a very long time. I mention this as a rebuttal to certain justifications made by the members.

December 19, 2006, 02:35:23 AM
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Re: FAQ: Is Jung really an international fugitive?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2006, 02:35:23 AM »
More recent members and prospective members who have discovered the allegations are usually told that the rape charges have been overturned, or dropped, and that the people who made them have had some sort of revalatory experience whereby they appologised to Jung and begged his forgiveness.

It's worth reiterating that he is a fugitive because he has never faced the charges, and this is a crime itself - although it's nonsense to say that all the allegations have been dropped, even if they had there would still be legal issues left over the fact that he has absconded from the law in both Korea and Hong Kong. Until he turns up to the courts and faces those charges he will remain a fugative

December 19, 2006, 10:31:53 AM
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Re: FAQ: Is Jung really an international fugitive?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2006, 10:31:53 AM »
He is right.  That is what they are telling their potential recruits, and the current members of JMS.  By the way, do you have some experience with JMS members here in America?

December 21, 2006, 01:11:35 AM
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Re: FAQ: Is Jung really an international fugitive?
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2006, 01:11:35 AM »
He is right.  That is what they are telling their potential recruits, and the current members of JMS.  By the way, do you have some experience with JMS members here in America?

Some, mostly indirect though

December 21, 2006, 11:38:58 AM
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Re: FAQ: Is Jung really/still an international fugitive?
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2006, 11:38:58 AM »
That's pathetic, that really is, and probably illegal too. The first post has a link which shows they've been lying about that since at least November 2005. If anyone is reading this that was told that, it's because they think you're a spiritual baby. They think you shouldn't know the truth because you're too stupid and immature to deal with it properly, unless perhaps they don't know the truth either. Don't make excuses for them, you don't deserve to be lied to and manipulated. Members claim we use this forum to host our "malicious opinions". But how many "opinions" do you find on this site? We post the facts the members don't think you're "ready" to hear because they're trying to manipulate you through information control so you are unable to come to conclusions that oppose what they say to you. They think it's justified and they don't see it as information control but that is the reality.

Whether or not the members believe the rape claims are true it is utterly pathetic for them to hide and blatantly lie to anyone about them, putting the person themselves in danger of someone who should be recognised as a man who has been running from the law for 7 years. Don't make excuses for people who endanger you even if they are nice and "well meaning".

March 01, 2007, 03:48:01 PM
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Re: FAQ: Is Jung really/still an international fugitive?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2007, 03:48:01 PM »
Here's something else that shows they were lying about the charges, an editor on 68.144.98.251, Jan 14 2006, added this to the Wikipedia page: (1)

The "facts" on this webpage are dubious. If this man is wanted by Interpol, why is he not found anywhere on thier website (nor the Korean National Police website for that matter)? These allegations against him are presented as factual and yet they were never even sufficient enough to be argued in court? The fact is, they have since been dropped. Yet, for inexplicable reasons, they remain here on Wikipedia... how strange...

Here's another one 82.35.62.106, 4 November 2005: (2)

Jung Myung Seok has had much criticism directed at him but none stand up to scrutiny. It is alleged that Jung Myung Seok is wanted by Interpol to face rape charges in Koream however this is false as no warrant for his arrest has been issued by Interpol.

and again Konstansis, 9 November 2005: (3)

it is ALLEGED that Jung is currently wanted by Interpol to face charges of rape in Korea however this is untrue and no warrant for his arrest exists.[http://www.police.go.kr/eng/index.jsp].


March 01, 2007, 03:55:28 PM
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Re: FAQ: Is Jung really/still an international fugitive?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2007, 03:55:28 PM »
Konstansis 9 November 2005 (3.2)

Which person is constantly adding that this man is wanted for rape and fraud? There is NO warrant for this man issued by interpol!!!! Now, I do not like this church either, but you must provide evidence for your claims. If you can provide a direct link to such evidence then be my guest. I have checked the south korean website and the interpol websites and no warrant for his arrest exists.

November 30, 2007, 02:23:56 AM
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Re: FAQ: Is Jung really/still an international fugitive?
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2007, 02:23:56 AM »
Just realised that this topic needed an update. I'll be surprised if anyone didn't notice before they got as  far as this, but Jung got arrested in China in May 2007. The topic is covered here in full. Although this seems to be more because of further abuses while he was hiding in China, it is expected that he will sent to face trial in Korea once the Chinese justice system is finished with him. Now do you believe us?

May 04, 2008, 12:16:03 PM
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Re: FAQ: Is Jung really/still an international fugitive?
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2008, 12:16:03 PM »
Yup, in custody now. But the dishonesty continues. Playing old sermons with new dates to give the illusion he is free, Reinhard's website claiming "Most importantly, Jeong, Myeong-seok has never been convicted of any crime in any country at any time." despite that Jung now does have a conviction and providencetrial (along with all other Providence sites) almost entirely avoiding any mention that Jung has even been accused of rape let alone arrested and has a conviction except for vague claims of "slander" and "defamation". I've found two pages where PT admits to rape allegations (not charges) and one with charges, the FAQ, but that still talks as if Jung is 'at large' despite it being updated Feb 08 long after Jung has been arrested.