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General Discussion / JMS & North Korea
« on: January 29, 2018, 01:56:40 AM »
I've been thinking for a long time it would be a good idea to explore the many similarities between JMS and North Korea. I just read a tweet that reminded me of those similarities -"that's JMS in a nutshell" I thought to myself.


JMS is all about trying to soften its image - give a false image is more accurate - to make itself more attractive to targets - especially to the young and especially to the young and beautiful.

One interesting difference is of course that the young woman is representing the regime itself, and not some front group that hides its connection to the parent cult ala the many front groups JMS uses. Hence, JMS is not softening an image, but creating and presenting an entirely false one that is dependent on the target not learning too early in the indoctrination process that Jeong is a cult leader and a convicted serial rapist. Come inside said the spider to fly.

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Brahma Kumaris / Brahma Kumaris Offshoot: 48 Underage Girls Rescued
« on: January 27, 2018, 12:32:43 AM »
More splinter groups behaving badly. I would be interested to know how many current cults are led by former members of others. While an offshoot of the Brahma Kumaris, this splinter group reminds me much more of JMS.

December 31, 2017: 48 Underage Girls Rescued from Ashrams of a ‘Godman’ in Delhi (Washington Post)

And from ten years ago, a thread entitled The Story of Veerendra Dev Dixit from a major site run by former Brahma Kumaris members.

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JMS News / Former Senior Member Pastor Kim Kyung-chun Discusses JMS
« on: January 27, 2018, 12:14:28 AM »
January 26, 2018: http://news.kmib.co.kr/article/view.asp?arcid=0923890960&code=23111111&cp=nv

While I disagree with Pastor Kim's concerns about homosexuality, I will forever be thankful for him for speaking to prosecutors on my behalf when JMS first filed criminal charges against me. I still have some stories about that. Pastor Kim also received threatening and abusive texts from JMS leadership and was also cleared of criminal charges filed by JMS.

Google translation follows with a few small corrections:

Heresy, why now? Jeong as a Second Advent Jesus Christ ... Concerns about regime cohesion

Pastor Kim Kyung-chun, who was a high-ranking member of the Christian Gospel Mission Society (JMS), explained the wrong Bible passage of JMS at the Ansan Sangrok Church in Gyeonggi Province on the 25th.


Pastor Kim (3rd right of the front row) who listened to Jung Myung Seok's speech at the JMS winter leader camp in 1993:


We are closely watching the Christian missionary group (JMS), which is a representative ethnic group, both inside and outside the church. Jeong Myeong-seok, who was sentenced to 10 years in prison for rape, is due to leave Daejeon prison on the 23rd of February. Since the establishment of the Moon Jaein government, there have been concerns about the anti-communist activities of the JMS following the return of the ruling class and the attempt of the regime to coalesce.

The Kookmin Ilbo received the JMS 2nd Prize (?), and met with Kim Kyung-cheon (58), who left in 2009, at the Ansan Sangrok Church (Rev. Jin Yong-sik) in Gyeonggi Province on the 25th.

"JMS worship Jeong as a person of God, Second Advent Jesus Christ. I believe that if you believe in Jung, you will go from heaven to the highest place. In short, religious addiction. "

Pastor Kim met Jeong in 1980 while studying at the College of Commerce in Korea University and fell into the bogus of JMS as he fell into the wrong Bible paraphrase. For 30 years, he worked as a 'brain' for JMS public relations manager and education director. He is currently serving as an associate pastor of the Evergreen Church in consulting heresy with the Korea Christian Faith Counseling Association.

Pastor Kim withdrew from JMS because of the wrong doctrine and the sexual problems. He said, "The doctrine has begun to change from time to time in 1999," he said. "If the doctrine had to be settled in 2002, all legal issues related to Chung had to be resolved, but he escaped to China and was arrested in 2007."

He said that culture is the reason why young people, especially female college students, get into JMS. Kim said, "I called virgins who did not marry and went to prostitution (perhaps mistranslation - "sex slaves" is I think a more accurate phrase) for Jeong as "evergreens, "but recently called them "belief stars." There are more than 1,000 sophisticated women now focusing on college professions. "

Pastor Kim said, "JMS gradually approaches the culture of jazz dance, singing, sports, modeling, and other colorful and sensuous cultures, and gradually injects false doctrine into the name of personality education."

Kim said, "Jung is trying to be a young man in the thirties after his arrest, and Jung Jo Eun (her real name is Kim Ji-sun) as his number 2." JMS made a religious town of hundreds of thousands of pyeong (Korean area measurement) in Jinsan- I am deceiving the Saints. " According to Pastor Kim, JMS is estimated to be 18,000 to 20,000 at home and abroad, including Korea, Japan, and Taiwan.

Pastor Kim said, "Korean churches should not slow down their surveillance and boundaries in attempting to join the regime of heterodoxy and pseudo-religious groups." He said the group should use its ability to mobilize hundreds of thousands of people through on-line and off-line activities to guard against the possibility of forming friendly public opinion on the government of Moon Jae-in related to social issues such as homosexuality.

JMS said, "Jeong is going to be released after the New Year holidays next month, but rape is not true and there are many unfair aspects."

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JMS In Korea / MOVED: Korean Article: Preparations for Jeong's Return
« on: January 24, 2018, 11:46:54 PM »

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I just came across two press releases from two years ago (Feb 2106). The first is definitely from SCJ, and it is on a site they have used repeatedly for their press releases. The second is a response to what are obviously your typical SCJ lies and exaggerations from one of the organisations named in the SCJ press release, no less than The Integrated Bar of the Philippines,  which is the "official organization of all Philippine lawyers whose names appear in the Roll of Attorneys of the Supreme Court." 

Feb. 1, 2016: HWPL Peace Delegation’s Peace Tour in Philippines



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HWPL Chairman to hold Peace Talks with Mayor Ronnel Rivera of General Santos City and Mr. Manny Pacquiao

Launching Ceremony

HWPL Peace Delegation’s peace tour in Philippines has been proceeding for eight full days, reaching its curtain call today on January 29. HWPL Chairman Man Hee Lee and the peace delegation had peace talks with Mayor Ronnel Rivera of General Santos City at the Green Leaf Hotel. "The Mindanao Peace Agreement which was concluded in General Santos City was the starting point of all peace works in Mindanao," said Chairman Lee, asking for the future cooperation to bring out a bigger wave of peace in General Santos.

Being appointed as an HWPL Publicity Ambassador, Mayor Ronnel Rivera promised to cooperate in the peace movements in the local communities.

Also the Peace Delegation met Mr. Manny Pacquiao, the world-renowned Filipino world champion professional boxer. Also a member of the Philippine House of Representatives in Sarangani province, Mr. Pacquiao invited the HWPL Peace Delegation to his house. After the meeting, he has promised to cooperate for justice and peace in the Philippines as an HWPL Publicity Ambassador.

Meanwhile, the Integrated Bar of the Philippines (IBP) has launched the HWPL National Committee on Peace in IBP and celebrated a signboard hanging ceremony. The launching ceremony took place at the South Cotabato Gymnasium with more than 200 representative attorneys of each IBP branch. The IBP has appointed Chairman Lee and IWPG Chairwoman Nam Hee Kim as advisers of the committee and HWPL has appointed 9 Board of Governors and 84 representatives of the IBP branches as the HWPL Publicity Ambassadors.

Jose I. De La Rama, JR, the Governor for Central Luzon, who became the head of the board of HWPL National Committee on Peace in IBP, announced the committee's future action plan to the audience by urging to support the implementation of an International Convention on the Renunciation and Cessation of War and International Armed Conflicts, HWPL’s core initiative.

Purpose of the Event

-Building a solid foundation in General Santos City to spread peace movements throughout the Mindanao Island.

-Launching HWPL National Committee on Peace in IBP

-Resolving to actively work as the HWPL Publicity Ambassadors by supporting the Convention for peace

Result:
The Mayor of General Santos City was appointed as an HWPL Publicity ambassador, promising to work together by erecting the Monument to the Declaration of World Peace and designating Peace Academies.

The HWPL National Committee on Peace in IBP was initiated. HWPL Chairman Man Hee Lee and IWPG Chairwoman Nam Hee Kim were appointed as the advisers of the HWPL National Committee on Peace in IBP. The 9 Board of Governors and 84 representatives of the IBP branches were appointed as the HWPL Publicity Ambassadors.

Participants:
Peace Talk 1
Ronnel Rivera, Mayor of General Santos City

Peace Talk 2
Manny Pacquiao, Member of the Philippine House of Representatives in Sarangani Province
Launching Ceremony of the HWPL National Committee on Peace in IBP

Maria Lourdes Sereno, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
Daisy P. Avence-Fuentes, Mayor of South Cotabato city
Rosario T. Setias-Reyes, President of IBP
Nasser A. Marohomsalic, Secretary General Integrated Bar of the Philippines
Abdiel Dan Elijah S. Fajardio, Vice Chairman & Governor for Western Visayas
Mae Elaine T. Bathan, Governor for Eastern Visayas
Romeo B. Igot, Governor for Greater Manila
Jose I. De La Rama, JR, Governor for Central Luzon
Franklin B. Calpito, Governor for Northern Luzon
Bienvenido I. Somera, JR., Governor for Southern Luzon
Emerson B. Aquende, Governor for Bicolandia
Caesar S. Europa, Governor for Eastern Mindanao
Domingo T. Redelosa IV, Governor for Western Mindanao

200 Representatives of the bars from each region of the Philippines

Speeches:
The role and duty of judicial officials in establishing the right framework of international law
The HWPL peace movements in Mindanao and the duty of political leaders in the achievement of peace
*Reference

HWPL(Heavenly Culture, World Peace, Restoration of Light, Chairman: Man Hee Lee)

An international peace organization registered in the Department of Public Information of the United Nations (UN DPI), initiating peace works together with the International Law Committee, World Alliance of Religions' Peace (WARP) Offices, International Women's Peace Group (IWPG), and International Peace Youth Group (IPYG).

IBP(The Integrated Bar of the Philippines) -The Integrated Bar of the Philippines (IBP) is the official organization of all Philippine lawyers whose names appear in the Roll of Attorneys of the Supreme Court.

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Jungshim/QiWellness / Oasis's Liam Gallagher Attending Jung Shim
« on: January 22, 2018, 10:24:57 PM »
Well, this is interesting. From The Daily Mail:

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Meaningless noise emanating from Liam Gallagher’s mouth? Who ever would have thought it!

The former Oasis frontman has been attending Korean ‘Qi energy’ chanting classes at the Jung Shim centre in Marylebone, London.

The 40-minute sessions involve ‘repeating vibrational sounds that have no translatable meaning’ but ‘declutter the mind’.

Perhaps his classes led to Liam, 45, recently ending the long-term feud with brother Noel, 50.


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A rough Google translation of this Korean language piece published January 7.


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JMS, Jung Myeong-seok: Large-Scale Propaganda Activities

The JMS (Christian Gospel Mission) is raising the faith in the mission before the release of Jung. Especially, they are preparing various events for college freshmen as the entrance season begins and coincides with Jeong's expected release in February.

JMS Shindo, College Life Guidance Lecture

JMS is active in lectures on "Everything in college life: Guide to university life". Lee Shinto, who is a representative of MAKIT COMPANY and who uses nickname Mantor Shae, has been teaching at more than 40 universities nationwide including Yonsei University, Hanyang University, Hankuk University of Foreign Studies and Sungkyunkwan University and 20 high schools in Gyeonggi Province for several years. Mentor Shae uses her lectures as a means of propagation and requires special attention from freshmen. The lecture on "Everything in College Life" held at Chungnam University on January 10, 18th grade university in Daejon is also understood to be an extension of the activity of the dancers.

JMS, Jung Myeong-seok is out in front of large-scale propaganda activities
▲ everything in university life lecture poster (left), utopia _ exhibition promotion poster (right)
 
2018 Utopia in Ssamzie Gil _ Exhibition

Held from the 10th coming from the Korea Craft & Design Cultural Institute in Seoul, Insadong ssamjigil to 16, 2018 Utopia _ 展 (Editor's Note: I): go to the extreme that he has "a missionary is expected to be the place of JMS. JMS is naturally not burden anyone with through well-known before the event, "freshman Outpost: Are exhibitions to (Editor's note According to taltoeja of JMS refers to the process of throwing the bait to hear the doctrine of the 30 views of JMS) Life Connection Please make sure you have an opportunity. " The appearance of the person in the event poster is Mr. Jung Myung-seok.

The theme of the event is 'He Goes to the Pole' and 'Pole' is a word he often uses in his sermon. The pole means the end, and when it reaches the peak, it means that you can meet Mr. Jung Myeong-seok.

Just making a list of universities from the above article and related links:
Yonsei University, Hanyang University, Korea University, Hongik University, Seoul National University, Hankuk University of Foreign Studies,  Seoul Women's University,  Sungkyunkwan University, Pusan National University, Sogang University, Dongguk University, KAIST, Ajou University, Konkuk University, Kyunghee University, Chosun University, Sungkyunkwan University, Pukyong National University, Chungnam National University, Sangmyung University, Dongduk Women's University,

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I just came across this link, and think it worth sharing. I was happy to see links to quotes from Lee's book simply entitled Hell. I read it a few months ago, and was constantly surprised and disgusted by it. I honestly cannot fathom how anyone, even the indoctrinated, can believe - let along stomach - such insidious nonsense. The book, however, did reveal some interesting tidbits and little nuggets of revealing information that are worth exploring when I have time.

Some of the links included in the link I posted above are no longer online, but thankfully, The Internet Archive has done its job well. Here's the page concerning Hell. And here's one quote, and yes, that's the kind of material I recall reading. I took screenshots of virtually every page as each page contained its own "WTF" moment:

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TODDLERS IN HELL
Toddlers are only two to three years old. Thus, they do not recognize even thier own death and do know know why they are in hell, but they still remember their mothers and fathers. That is why they cry repeatedly, "Where are you, mommy? Daddy? I want to go home! Why am I here?"

To kill time, the messengers of hell slap the back of toddlers, and trample or whip them. Then toddlers, in shock and pain, try to crouch or run away for them. However, in such a crowded place, the toddlers cannot run away and in a muddle of tears and snivel, they are entangled with one another, trampled on, and bruised and torn to shed blood all over the place. Under these miserable circumstances, children constantly cry in tears because they long for their mothers, are hungry and horrified. Such conditions alone are "hell" for these babies.
(p. 98)

Archived page describing Heaven 1 which is available from Amazon.

Archived link page describing its sequel, Heaven 2, which is also available on Amazon.




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There has been a gradual increase in the amount of English language propaganda that JMS has put online over the last year or so. Here's something approaching a list.

The propaganda seems meant for internal consumption or for consumption by those who have absolutely no idea who Jeong is - new recruits perhaps may find the material impressive and believable for example, but it isn't exactly material that stands up well to outside scrutiny.

Two different pressuring factors appear to be behind such material 1) the publication of more critical media reports in English and 2) the upcoming release of Jeong from jail as his 10-year sentence for raping female members while on the run from earlier allegations draws to a close in February 2018 - next month at the time of writing.

I've been keeping my eye on JMS sites and noting curious nuggets worthy of exploration and documentation. There is a lot of material, so the task is a daunting one. Considering that large tasks are completed in small steps, I think it's time to make a start with a first small step.

First up, an interesting reference to interviews that Jeong gave to four news crews following a 2011 Argentinian art exhibition:

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At “ARTECLASICA”, a famous art exhibition held in Buenos Aires the capital of Argentina on July 2011, Pastor Jung Myung Seok’s art piece “Destiny” was awarded ‘Best Art Work. He was also chosen by the organizing committee from among 3000 other artists from around the World as the ‘Representative Artist’ of the exhibition. His artworks were also the only ones to be invited to the event from the whole of Korea and were on display for 10 days over the span of the ARTECLASICA exhibition.

Reporters from 4 television news stations, including Argentina’s “Canal A”, came to interview Pastor Jung about his life and artwork, and the interview was aired nation-wide. Additionally, Pastor Jung’s artworks also received overwhelming publicity through newspapers, magazines, and other media.


It is not altogether surprising that Jeong's artwork was exhibited at an exhibit. For similiar activity on a much grander scale, note the successes of fellow Korean cult leader Yoo Byeong-eun. Under the guise of his alias AHAE, he exhibited at The Louvre and got the London Symphony Orchestra to record a symphony written in his honor by composer Michael Nyman just months before he became Korea's most wanted following the sinking of his ferry, The Sewol.

So I'm prepared to accept that an exhibition took place in Argentina that showed Jeong's art. Jeong does after all have a sizable PR/propaganda team. I do, however, have my doubts that Jeong's status as a convicted rapist serving a 10-year sentence in Daejon jail was used to promote the event. I imagine that is why the pen name "Cheon Bo" - mentioned earlier in the article - was used. Artistic Korean cult leaders need their pen names.

I don't particularly doubt that the Argentinian exhibit did take place, but I find his winning prizes a little dubious. The "world" he is renowned in seems to be the small world of his cult and not the actual much larger world that exists on the surface of planet Earth. Related video which looks like it was filmed at the cult's HQ in South Korea where they have a museum dedicated to Jeong's art.


I recall exploring mention of the Argentinian exhibition and the Cheon Bo pen name a few months ago. There is more about "Cheon Bo" on this other JMS site. Googling "Cheon Bo Korean Artist" doesn't result in much besides JMS propaganda sites, and you have to scroll for those. Curiously, those two JMS sites use different spellings: "Cheon Bo" and "Choen Bo". If you're going to use a fake name, at least agree on its spelling.


He has created art - if that's the write term though, and I have no reason to believe that art attributed to him has been created by others. Here's an example from a Japanese news report:


What I find more interesting and rather hard to believe is the part about four different news crews - at least one Argentinian - visiting Jeong in jail. Of course, there is no mention of jail, but is where he has been since 2008. I doubt he was let out to fly to Argentina for a couple of days.

So four news crews - at least one Argentinian - flew to Korea and interviewed Jeong in jail about an art exhibition? Really? I just can't see that happening. I would be happy to be proved wrong though. Please send me links to those news reports if you have them. I personally would love to see those interviews.

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Numerous English language propaganda sites have appeared over the last 12 or so months. Some of been set up in response to recent media attention, but I think one underlying reason for all of them is the imminent release of Jeong from jail as he nears the end of his 10-year prison sentence.

I hope to expand on this list and explore in more detail soon, but for now here some examples:

https://jmsprovidence.com/
https://cgmpress.com/
https://conversationswith.life/
https://goodwordschangeworld.com/
https://jungmyungseok.net/




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General Discussion / A Thank you to Katie...
« on: December 28, 2017, 10:48:19 AM »
I want to thank Katie for finding and sharing dozens of JMS front groups, websites, and social media accounts over the past couple of days and - no pressure - she shows no signs of slowing down. You can explore her recent posts here. So thank you very much Katie!

Katie's posts reminded me of the very first post I made on my first site. It was a similar list of JMS fronts and websites. I remember being eager to share that with the world. Gradually over time, partly due to their sheer number, I got out of the habit of immediately sharing links. Alas.

Over the years, I somehow got into the habit of saving links for "later". Altough I should say that "saving links for later" is itself time consuming as it involves taking screenshots and copying videos and sites, not to mention keeping all those files in an organised manner so that they are immediatley findable. The ineviteable result, however, was that a lot of links got saved, but not many of them got shared. I had my reasons for some of that withholding but not for all. I just wrote about 1,000 words on how I fell out of the habit and on the pros and cons of sharing links. I decided to spare any audience I may have that long rambling post. Suffice to say that I am very grateful to Katie for her posts. And I hope it goes without saying that I am also grateful to all those who have shared their experiences and knowledge privately.

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