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JMS News / Re: 30 Minute JMS Report From China
« on: February 09, 2010, 01:22:31 PM »
Thanks for the translation Sarah

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Scientology / Re: Wikipedia bans Church of $cientology
« on: May 31, 2009, 11:16:09 AM »
They didn't really ban Scientology.. rather Wikipedia blocked edits from Scientology servers. I assume Scientologists can still edit even if they identify themselves as long as they do it from home or from a proxy. They also "topic-banned" a lot of anti-Scientology editors (i.e. told them not to edit Scientology pages or they will be blocked). That probably isn't going to make much difference since I guess just about anyone who knows a little about Scientology, and isn't a Scientologist, would be anti-Scientology in some sense.

Wikipedia is very slow to act on things. There was a pro-cult and cult member called Sfacets who gamed the system and generally made himself a pain for two years or so, until finally he was community banned (the worst possible thing Wikipedia can do to you). He tried to get around the ban several times (his "suspected sockpuppets" page has 76 entries), so it's pretty obvious NOW he had no concern for Wikipedia policies. He never did, but it's so easy to game Wikipedia he didn't get banned for such a long time. Similarly, Scientologists have been editing Wikipedia for 3+ years from the Scientology servers. It's probably part of their job description to advocate Scientology on Wikipedia. The block is long overdue.

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Korea Times:

Court Upholds 10-Yr Sentence on Cult Leader

Jung Myung-suk
By Bae Ji-sook
Staff Reporter

The Supreme Court upheld a 10 year-imprisonment sentence on Jung Myung-suk, the leader of the JMS (Jesus Morning Star) religious cult Thursday for the rape and sexual assault of five Korean female followers.

Jung was indicted for sexually assaulting the victims between 2003 and 2006 in Hong Kong, Malaysia and China. A lower court convicted him on three counts sentencing him to a six-year-prison term, but a high court extended this to 10 years convicting him on all five counts.

Last January, the top court ordered Jung to pay two former followers 10 million won and 50 million won each in compensation.

Jung was extradited from China last year and was handed over to the Korean police after being on the local wanted list since 1999 and the Interpol Red Notice since 2004. He fled the country after the rape charges emerged. He was also allegedly involved in seven other embezzlement, sexual assault and fraud cases.

Jung reportedly asserts that he is the Messiah with the responsibility to save mankind, and has new teachings to finish the incomplete message and mission of Jesus Christ. Former group members testified that his followers still view him as a president, teacher and Lord.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/04/117_43718.html

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this webpage mentions jmscult.com! (as photo credit)
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_367459.html
Archived

AFP Article:

SEOUL - SOUTH Korea's Supreme Court on Thursday upheld a 10-year jail sentence imposed on a cult leader for sex crimes against female followers.

An appeal court in February had sentenced Jeong Myeong-Seok to 10 years, adding four years to a lower court's sentence.

Jeong - whose JMS sect stands for both Jesus Morning Star and his initials - was convicted of raping or otherwise sexually assaulting four South Korean female followers between 2003 and 2006 in Malaysia, Hong Kong and China.

Jeong, now 64, fled South Korea after prosecutors started investigating allegations against him. He was formally charged in absentia with rape in 2001.

The cult leader was arrested in Hong Kong in 2003 for visa violations but later fled an extradition hearing. China extradited him to Seoul in February last year.

Even though the offences for which Jeong was convicted were committed overseas, South Korean courts said they had jurisdiction because his victims were Koreans.

Former cult members, mostly young girls, have told police they were instructed to undress for health checks and to have sex with Jeong to expunge their sins.

The girls said they were threatened with spiritual death if they spoke of what happened.

News reports have said Jeong, who founded his cult in the late 1980s, was still believed to have thousands of followers. -- AFP

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JoongAng Daily

Cult head gets harsh new sentence
February 11, 2009
Upholding a lower court conviction, an appeals court yesterday handed down a 10-year prison term to Jung Myung-seok, a self-proclaimed messiah and founder of the JMS cult, for sex crimes against female believers.

Jung had been indicted on charges of sexually assaulting five women during his time on the run in Malaysia, Hong Kong and China from 2001 to 2006.

Following media reports about earlier abuse allegations, Jung fled Korea in 1999.

He was extradited from China last year to face prosecution.

The Seoul Central District Court initially ruled last August that Jung was guilty of raping three out of five alleged victims.

The Seoul High Court ruled yesterday that Jung is guilty of a total four counts of rape, overturning one acquittal and handing down a heavier punishment.

He was originally sentenced to serve six years in prison, but the newest sentence by the high court is a decade of imprisonment.

About 70 JMS followers heard the verdict in the courtroom, and some of them shed tears as the court pronounced the sentence.

Formerly a member of the Unification Church, Jung established JMS, also known by the names Jesus Morning Star and Providence Church, in Seoul in the early 1980s.

In a separate but related trial, the Supreme Court ruled in January in favor of two former female followers of JMS who demanded monetary compensation for Jung’s sexual abuse.

The court at the time ordered Jung to pay 10 million won ($7,231) to one woman and 50 million won to the other.

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2900886

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The Donga footage is the pure footage put out by Reuters. The TV stations cut it up and put do the voice-over.

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Here's a rather undescriptive photo from Christian Today



http://www.chtoday.co.kr/view.htm?id=200790

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Reuters put out a video. There is some new footage from today, hopefully we can get it somehow.

2023-SOUTH KOREA-JESUS MORNING STAR


MOD-DATE: 02/10/09 06:30:01


ASIA-FEB10-2023-SOUTH KOREA-JESUS MORNING STAR


ASIA: STORY 2023


2023-SOUTH KOREA-JESUS MORNING STAR SEOUL AND INCHEON, SOUTH KOREA FEBRUARY 10, 2009 FILE NATURAL DURATION:01:48


SOURCE:REUTERS


INTRO:

HEADLINE: South Korean sect leader gets a 10-year sentence for rape charges.


TV AND WEB RESTRICTIONS~**NONE**~
 
Jung Myong-seok, a South Korean leader of a fringe religious sect, is
sentenced to ten years for raping his female followers.

SHOWS:
SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA (FEBRUARY 10, 2009) (REUTERS - ACCESS ALL)
1. EXTERIOR OF SOUTH KOREAN COURT
2. SOUTH KOREAN COURT SIGN ON BUILDING
3. VARIOUS OF FOLLOWERS ENTERING COURT HOUSE TO SEE JUNG MYONG-SEOK, LEADER
OF JMS (JESUS MORNING STAR'S) TRIAL
4. SIGN OF 'HIGH COURT'

INCHEON, SOUTH KOREA (FILE) (REUTERS - ACCESS ALL)
5. JUNG WEARING BASEBALL CAP AND WHITE MASK AND PROSECUTORS STEPPING DOWN
FROM PLANE
6. JUNG BEING ESCORTED BY PROSECUTORS
7. JUNG BEING REACHED CAR
8. JUNG GETTING INTO CAR
9. JUNG IN CAR
10. CAR LEAVING
11. AIRPORT LOUNGE FILLED WITH JUNG'S FOLLOWERS
12. VARIOUS OF FOLLOWERS IN AIRPORT LOBBY

    STORY: The South Korean leader of a fringe religious sect was sentenced
to ten years on Tuesday (February 10) for raping his female followers.
    Jung Myong-seok, 63, fled to China from South Korea in 2001 after he
had been charged with selecting followers from photographs and then forcing
them to have sex with him.
    Jung was finally arrested in May 2007 in northeastern China, South
Korea's Justice Ministry said.
    South Korea requested China extradite Jung and he was returned to Seoul
in February 2008 to face the charges.
    He was sentenced to 6 years during the first trial in August 2008 and
appealed the verdict.
    The Seoul High Court rejected the appeal and gave him a 10-year jail
term for raping four female followers.
    He is the leader of JMS, also known as the Jesus Morning Star sect,
which was founded in 1980.
    South Korean media said JMS expanded into Japan under the name
"Setsuri", which means providence.
ENDS.

http://rtv.rtrlondon.co.uk/2009-02-10/1f6084a7.html

there was an advisory about this before

SOUTH KOREA-JMS High court sentence for Jung Myung-seok, leader of
religious cult group, Jesus Morning Star, -- he was sentenced to 6 years in
prison for raping and sexual abuse of his followers last year. Expect
0100GMT

http://rtv.rtrlondon.co.uk/2009-02-09/3e60acb8.html

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This is from Wikipedia, where an admin evaluated whether the image of Jung could be replaced with a free one:

Since he is in the custody of Chinese police and is unlikely to ever be released, this image is non-replaceable. – Quadell (talk) (random) 23:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Your logic is biased: "and is unlikely to ever be released"? If he is innocent, then he would be released. Please keep your biased opinions to yourself, and leave Wikipedia to cited and scrutinized facts. Uptional (talk) 10:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC) [my italics]

Many members seemed to think he would be proven innocent. According to Uptional's logic, since he won't be released, he is not innocent.

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Ralph never disappoints:

    <cut, since Ralph posted his poem himself below>

It sounds like Ralph is saying that if even Jung is punished for his crimes, how can we expect God's forgiveness for our crimes? Bizarre reasoning, because if he believes Jung is guilty of sin, and God punished him, surely it's more convincing that Jung is just not the 'anointed one'.

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The articles say it was in the Seoul High Court... not the highest court. Will there be another appeal?

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The cult will obviously spin this, so it is interesting to see what was said before the conviction (this was when Jung arrived in Korea after being arrested):

Pastor Bae Jae-yong said "He has never been directly involved with the finances as he manages the congregation, so his embezzlement charge is just a groundless rumor. The rape charge is also a distorted rumor that was made by the people who have slandered him. Everything is different from the truth, and all fundamental truth will be clarified by him at the prosecutor's office" (see thread)

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