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JMS News / New Zealand Herald Article on JMS
« on: May 20, 2017, 06:15:55 AM »
The New Zealand Herald just published a piece on JMS, and there's an accompanying video. I wouldn't call JMS a religious group!

May 20: Kiwi Women Targeted by Religious Group Hunting Brides for Convicted Rapist

Brahma Kumaris / Re: Arson Attack on Essex Brahma Kumaris Center
« on: May 05, 2017, 10:41:45 PM »
In March of 2016, Stephen failed in his bid to have his sentence reduced.
AN EX-MEMBER of a religious group jailed for a revenge campaign of arson attacks against them because he later considered them a 'cult' deserved every day of his sentence, judges ruled.

Stephen Finch, 53, had been a follower of the Brahma Kumaris movement, but came to believe the group had ruined his life.

After leaving the group in 1997, it was 17 years later he decided to take revenge on two members, targeting the Inner Space meditation centre in Gloucester Avenue, Chelmsford, a hub for the Brahma Kumaris Spiritual University, and a house in Brentwood. He pleaded guilty to two reckless arsons and two counts of religiously aggravated criminal damage and was jailed for five years at Chelmsford Crown Court last July.

Two months later, he committed suicide. The report into his death by the Prisons and Probation Ombudsman is attached below.

Another article, this one with a brief quote from me. We actually spoke for about 25 minutes and we started at 7:30 am when I'm never at my best:

It's great to see a student magazine cover the continual threat posed by Korean cults on campuses. And it seems like every Korean cult in existence has a presence in New Zealand.

i know this one. My wife is in it.
Breaking lots of families.

some information about this world mission church of god ahnsahnghong

Ten years later and most of those are now dead links. The last one is still online and these comments just caught my eye:
Boohoo, What I said is pure fact. I have 2 family members in this cult. I don’t make this crap up, I don’t have a reason to. The cog has destroyed my family, turned my family members away from everyone they loved, friends & family alike. They have, without a doubt, been brainwashed. Their personalities have changed immensely since joining. They have given up their education and and the prospect of looking to the future and “bettering themselves” since they believe that the “end” is at hand. Claiming “it doesn’t matter anymore.”
How long was your friend involved, a few months at best? Did she make a trip to Korea to meet “mother"? Mine did, and they lied about it to boot. Not to mentioned they lied about joining the cog in the first place. They lied to get another family member to show up at the cog (got him there under false pretenses). I am grateful that he didn’t fall for it. Did your friend threaten you - that you’d never see her again if you didn’t listen to her preaching? Did she hold a lit lighter to you and tell you it would be thousands times worse because you would be going to hell for not joining them at cog? Yes, these things all happened to us as a result of cog.
Yes, there is a certain line of respect when discussing religion, but I draw the line when mine is not respected, especially in my own home and people try to coerse or harass me and mine. I’m glad that your friend woke up and got out of there quickly, you are more fortunate than I am. I have no reason to exaggerate…I’m fighting for my family.

I have just spent the last couple of hours reading all of the posts on this site, and I’m hoping some ex-COG members can help me. My daughter has recently joined this church and it is tearing our family apart. She is in the process of a divorce and moved in with us, so she could go back to school and have help with the kids. Her boyfriend became involved in this church and she was originally concerned that it was a cult. Her father and I went on vacation and in the span of two weeks, she had gone to the church and become a member. She has now dropped out of college and spends almost all of her time at the church. She is spending less and less time with her kids. She is also going to move out of our house. We have been doing as much research on this church and mind control that we can. We have visited Ted’s site and it has been very helpful. We are looking for ex members of the church in the San Diego Area. She is not going to listen to us. We have considered trying an intervention, however, we don’t think she’ll cooperate. Any advice on how to approach her would be greatly appreciated. Her children are both under the age of four

JMS in South Africa / Angelita Models: South African JMS Front Group
« on: April 20, 2017, 10:26:48 AM »
Angelita Models was, and perhaps still is, a typical front group for the JMS cult. I'm unsure if it is still in use because the website and Facebook page it used a few years ago are both no longer online. Front groups are naturally of little use when they are exposed, so JMS and most of the cults I try to track regularly change names and tactics. Hence, fronts are quite transitory in nature.

The front was mentioned in this tweet from one of the cult's New Zealand fronts on July 9, 2013.

Here are some screenshots from the now defunct Angelita Models website. It very much a typical JMS fromt which are designed to appeal to young beautiful women above a certain height. Since the leader is a convicted serial rapist, it isn't hard to imagine why.

The article ends with a timeline of key events. I've added links from the timeline I have on my site here.

Major News about Leader Jung Myung-Seok:

March 20, 1999: SBS broadcasts concerns about a JMS sex scandal in an episode of The Unanswered entitled “Door to Redemption or Trap of Depravity”. Jung Myung-seok later fled the country.

July 9, 2003: Jung discovered in Clearwater Bay, Hong Kong; imprisoned for illegal stay, but released on bail. (He subsequently fled again - That's mentioned in this article)

October, 2003: JMS attack on anti-JMS members, Father Kim Do-Hyon, leader of the anti-JMS movement, assaulted by unidentified assailant, anti-JMS member Kim Hyeong-jin beaten.

April 18, 2006: 4 women sexually assaulted by Jung Myung-seok, as well as Exodus, responsible for the anti-JMS movement, hold press interviews and demand judicial action against Jung.

July 28, 2006: Japanese Asahi Shinbun speculates on sexual assault of female Japanese believers by Jung Myung-seok.

May 1, 2007: Jung Myung-seok arrested by authorities in Beijing, China.

January 11, 2008: Supreme Court makes a final ruling ordering compensation of 60 million won to female victims of molestation and sexual assault by Jung Myung-seok in their lawsuit requesting compensation for damages. (November, 2008 article - related?)

February 20, 2008: Jung Myung-seok transferred to Korea (Imprisoned Feb. 23)

August 12, 2008: Seoul District Court sentences Jung Myung-seok to 6 years in prison on charges of rape of female followers.

2008: JMS ruled “anti-Christian” at 93rd Assembly of Presbyterian Church in Korea
October, 2008: Samsung special prosecutor Jo Jun-ung joins the JMS defense counsel

January 12, 2009: Counterargument that Jung is not taught to be the “Second Coming” or “Messiah” but only as proof of Jesus in Seoul High Court trial.

February 10, 2009: Seoul High Court sentences Jung Myung-seok to 10 years in prison.

April 23, 2009: Supreme Court makes final ruling sentencing Jung to 10 years in prison.   
March 28, 2012: JMS Damage Countermeasures Association (Jeong Dae-hyeop, chairman Kim Jin-ho) and Korean Christian Cult Counseling Association  (led by Pastor Jin Yong-sik) expose problems including sexual abuse by Providence (AKA JMS) leader Jung Myung-seok, military field-grade officers coming to JMS’ side, and Jung’s orders to commit acts of terror.

July 10, 2013: Jung Myung-seok, while in prison, publishes Woman of Poetry and Conversations through Poetry.

April 9, 2014: Australian SBS TV broadcasts critical report entitled “Inside Providence: The Secretive Korean Church Led by a Convicted Rapist”.

May 20, 2016: British publication The Daily Mail reports that the Korean cult JMS brought young women from Australia to meet JMS leader Jung Myung-seok.

Feb. 13. 2017: When Will Religious Leader Jung Myung-seok, Who Sexually Assaulted* Female Believers, Be Released? (KPortal News)

English Translation:
Former JMS vice-chairman and pastor Kim Gyeong-cheon: “Believers are waiting until the day the Lord returns”
When will Jung Myung-seok (AKA JMS), founder of Providence (CGM), who is currently serving a 10-year prison sentence for sexual assault of female believers, be released? It has been almost 10 years since Jung was imprisoned, and interest in his release date is growing.

The first theory proposes a date of May 1, 2017. This release date was based on the date Jung was arrested by Chinese public security forces. Jung faced criticism due to sexual abuse reported in an SBS report on its program The Unanswered on March 20, 1999 entitled, “Door to Redemption or Trap of Depravity”, and left Korea after authorities began an internal investigation based on this program. He lived on the run in Hong Kong and China (with CGM arguing that he was involved in normal overseas activities) until he was arrested in Beijing on May 1, 2007 by public security forces. Based on this timeline, his release date is May 1, 2017.

The next theory sets February 23, 2018 as the date. Jung was transferred from China to Korea and then imprisoned for sexual assault against female followers on February 23, 2008. This schedule would put his release date at February 23, 2018 – at the end of February of next year rather than this year.

A reporter (Christian Portal News, reached out to CGM to check Jung’s release date, but CGM has said they cannot give any answer on the subject of Jung’s release.

The reporter called the prison to check on Jung’s release date; however, a prison spokesperson said that, “Whether or not a particular individual is imprisoned as well as the release date of imprisoned persons are protected as personal information and cannot be divulged externally.” However, this spokesperson gave the theoretical answer that, “release dates are calculated from the date of imprisonment”. Another police spokesperson in contact with the reporter answered that, “the release date is calculated based on the date of imprisonment after transfer to Korea and not on the date arrested by Chinese public security forces”. Based on these calculations, the theory that Jung’s release date is February 23, 2018 is convincing.
Meanwhile, Kim Gyeong-cheon (former JMS vice-chairman) noted that, “JMS followers are awaiting the release date of Jung Myung-seok as the ‘day the Lord comes’,” and that, “To them, the release date is a sort of Second Coming.”

* Translator's Note: The Korean word repeatedly used in this article can mean “sexual assault” or “rape”. Other articles mention both rape and molestation, so I’ve used sexual assault as a general term.

Not entirely positive, but it's yet another example of a writer who completely missed the cult's past. Having said that, it does provide a more interesting glimpse into the group than the above pieces.

April 10, 2017: A first timer’s guide to… Qi chanting (Balance)

Koreans call it ‘qi’. Chinese call it ‘chi’. Americans call it ‘energy’. Brits call it ‘balderdash’. But then there’s a time and place for ‘balderdash’ and if it makes you feel better, then maybe qi chanting is right for you.

I like a bit of chanting, me. Gregorian? Yes please. Tibetan Buddhist? Hell, yes. Hasidic Jewish nigunim? OK. Point is; I’m an open-minded kind of guy.

So, when I heard that there’s a place near Oxford Circus to try out a bit of Korean meditative chanting to ‘clear the busy mind of negative thoughts and re-connect the body to its natural rhythm’, I hopped on down to the Qi Wellness Centre, hoping to have my tiny mind blown.


The promise is that these chanting classes address modern-day challenges such as technology overload, limited downtime, and an inability to re-charge the batteries. What’s not to like?

Smiley faces and warm welcomes abound. It’s a shoes-off, slippers-on, all-white pyjamas optional-but-encouraged kind of place. But it wasn’t quite what I expected.

Turns out that qi chanting isn’t repeating the same few words over and over again, so if slipping into meditational nirvana and saying ‘om’ or ‘nam-myoho-renge-kyo’ until it no longer sounds ridonkulous is what you were hoping for, you’ll leave disappointed.

Instead it’s pages and pages of part-Korean part-gibberish scripts.

The best bit was the feeling that I was stepping into an intriguing international subculture. The main room was decked out with flowers, huge Korean symbols on the walls, a super soft carpet and a webcam so people from all over Europe could tune in to chant, move and meditate with our class in Oxford Circus.

I really wanted to like this but it just wasn’t my cup of qi. If it sounds like it could be yours, go for it. What’s the worst that can happen?

What's the worst that could happen? Well, you could die. You could also be parted from your money.

General Discussion / Interesting Buzzfeed Article on Korean Cults...
« on: April 09, 2017, 02:17:59 PM »
Interesting piece on Korean cults by a writer whose family has been impacted by the religious extremism. A little disappointed JMS and other cults currently active were not mentioned, but it's always nice to see Prof. Tark Ji-il quoted. Steven Hassan is quoted too, and he has lot of experience with Korean cults - both he and
 serial rapist Jeong Myeong-seok were Moonies.

March 22: How A 20-Year-Old Exorcism Sent Me In Search Of Korea’s Cult Problem (Buzzfeed)

It's possible that Jeong Myeong-seok is only weeks away from release. I've asked a few people who I expected to know, but I keep getting a range of dates rather than a specific date. The issue is complicated by the fact Jeong was arrested in China and spent 10 months in a Chinese jail before being deported back to Korea for trial. Does that time served in China count towards his sentence? If so, he is weeks from release. A lawyer I asked thinks yes. Some others, who I felt sure would know the exact date, were not so sure. I found that uncertainty surprising and more than a little perplexing. The cult has certainly been ramping up the propaganda of late. Could they be getting ready for Jeong's imminent release? Or just annoyed that their secretive cult is no longer such a secret? Probably both, but an imminent release would surely keep them up late at night, not that members get much sleep anyway.

Here are a few key dates:

May 1, 2007: Arrested in China.
Feb. 20, 2008: Extradited to Korea
August 12, 2008: Found guilty and sentenced to 6 years
Feb. 10, 2009: Appeal court added 4 years to the sentence
April 23, 2009: Supreme Court upheld 10-year sentence

I wrote the above yesterday morning, and then last night, thanks to the power of the internet and some helpful friends, I was directed to this Korean article about this very topic. The article states with confidence but not certainty a release date of February 23, 2018. That's ten years and a few days after his extradition home.

The Feb. date coincides with the Winter Olympics which run from February 9 to 25. That reminds me of the shenanigans the cult pulled during and after the 2002 Soccer World Cup. My mind boggles at what they must be cooking up for the Olympics and Jeong's release. They probably see that coincidence as some kind of sign from God. On the other hand, there will be lots of visiting reporters in Korea and overall increased media interest. I speak from experience when I say JMS does not like media interest it cannot control. No cult does, but JMS is particularly sensitive partly because for so long they were able to fly under the radar.

June 13, 2002: Smiling A Serious Business in South Korea (Taipei Times)
Aug. 5. 2002: Soccer Event to Lead Highlight Reel of Global Peace Meeting in Daejeon (Korea JoongAng Daily)

Both reporters failed to connect the cult's front groups to the cult. The first I can understand as the writer was in Korea covering The World Cup (but interestingly enough, her paper The Taipei Times reported on the sexual abuse allegations seven months earlier). The failure in the Korean JoongAng Daily is a surprise, but it does demonstrates the value of such front groups and explains why the Global Association of Culture and Peace (GACP) front was abandoned once its connections to the cult were harder to conceal following widespread Japanese media interest in 2006 and the name appearing on Rick Ross's cult awareness site. In 2002, the cult held an annual GACP event at the University of British Columbia. I doubt they could have done that had there been more awareness back then.

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